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Old 04-15-2005, 12:31 PM
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For Pila: T.O. wants a raise!!!

What do you think? Should he get one?
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Benfica can easily play with 14.5 men against Os Ossos de Lusitania and be playing for a draw.
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Old 04-15-2005, 01:07 PM
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He should, indeed - but I'd be genuinely surprised if the Eagles gave him one. They haven't been willing to give 30+ year-old stars in the past. But TO is a special breed, so perhaps they'll surprise me.
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Old 04-15-2005, 02:01 PM
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He should, indeed - but I'd be genuinely surprised if the Eagles gave him one. They haven't been willing to give 30+ year-old stars in the past. But TO is a special breed, so perhaps they'll surprise me.

So what will happen then? Thinks he'll hold out?

I think he deserves to be #1 or #2 on the pay chart for WR's. You and me are aligned for once.
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Old 04-15-2005, 02:03 PM
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I have no idea - but if he does (hold-out), he'll be traded.
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Old 04-15-2005, 02:06 PM
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I have no idea - but if he does (hold-out), he'll be traded.

Agreed on that but I think the iggz are going to pay him.
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Old 04-15-2005, 02:19 PM
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I got up at 5 AM today to drive from Boston to work. In my groggy state, I began listening to the overnight ESPN radio guy talk about this with his crew and callers. The show was taking the stance that he signed a 7 year deal and he should live by it. They compared TO's contract to the contracts you sign in other industries, like radio. And if TO didn't like the fact that he is in an industry with non-guarenteed contracts, he should get out rather than renegotiate.

It was one of the more mind boggling dumb points of views that I have ever heard. I have to wonder sometimes if the people in radio get their jobs because they know how to say the dumbest things to get people to listen or call.

Once 6 AM rolled around, Mike and Mike took over. On their own, I never considered either one to be a great media personna. Together they have a real good morning show. They did a good job breaking down the situation, with Golic making a good point in regards to TO. Players have little to no leverage in these type of situations. However, not only is TO the most importnat skill position player on the team, he has a reputation (Rightly or wrongly) as being a guy who will torpedo his team's plans if he is not placated. In that regard, being viewed as nuts helps him negotiate.
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Old 05-02-2005, 10:24 AM
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This is turning into quite a soap opera. "As TO Turns" is becoming a fullfledged bitch fight.

TO has accused McNOT of tiring in the Superbowl which imo is dishonest.

"I played every snap they allowed me to play,'' Owens told ESPN.com. "I wasn't even running until, like, two weeks before the game. But I made sure I was in the best shape possible. I wasn't the guy who got tired in the Super Bowl.''

He should have accused him of choking...because that's what he's always done in the big games.


See McNot's reaction.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...ov=ap&type=lgns

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Old 05-02-2005, 10:39 AM
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Red, you stole my thunder.

Would be interesting to get Pila's insight on this and his reaction......
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Old 05-02-2005, 10:55 AM
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The Eagles knew TO would be whining sooner or later. They'll deal with this the way they always do - they'll move on without him if he doesn't intend on honoring his contract (thus Reggie Brown taken in the second round and Moats (See Brian Westbrook's whining) in the third).

Having the Joe Montana (banner) of the salary cap allows this team to consistently be flexible enough to anticipate these internal squables before they actually happen. It's why the Eagles, no matter how many "stars" on the team are inflicted with the woe-is-me virus (see Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent last year, Hugh Douglas the year before and Jeremiah Trotter before that) they can continue business as usual without any sacrifice to the roster. Unlike the Jintz, for example, who are forced to continuously sacrifice the roster because they consistently have no choice but to relent to the whinings of aging stars or risk having their 6-10 exciting seasons turn into dull dorrmats of the league.
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However, I think Joao Pinto's puppet from Contra Informacao would give the real Sa a good fight. Or Chucky from the Child's Play movies, for that matter."


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Old 05-02-2005, 11:06 AM
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My favorite McNot quote is this one.

"I'm not going to sit here and try to have a war of words. I'm a man at what I do.''

Fer sho! He is such a man, that in the 4th quarter with the game on the line, he was upchucking/choking on the pressure of running the offense.
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There was indeed a conspiracy to have Benfica and Braga challenge for the title until the last week of the season. There was also a conspiracy against Sporting to keep them out of 1st place by 26 points. The conspiracy is about to be revealed in a public judicial forum soon enough. It's hasn't anything to do with Golden whistles, but with Golden Showers, as Sporting Administration and coaching have conspired to piss all over themselves this season.-RedEagle
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Old 05-02-2005, 11:21 AM
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We argued a few years ago on the Iggles lack of going for the juggular. I thought they lacked the one big player to go all the way due to their lack of making a FA push. You thought, and still think, it's better to make sure that you are flexible with the cap.

I'm telling you again, it's great to have flexibility- But you have to at some point say "We're going for it" and make the commitment. If not, blow the fucker up and start fresh with the nucleus (McNabb) you keep. Salary Cap "Hell" is overrated. The NFL is set up for one year of pennance if you bungle it, then a possible quick turnaround if you draft well (IE '04 Steelers and Falcons). The Titans will stink this year, but they can be back in the thick of things in '06.

I saw a few months ago the number of "dead" salary cap dollars the Iggles have not used in the last 4 years. If they go again into the season without a full clip in their gun, I don't see what so admirable about it. If they want to get rid of Owens because he's nuts, that's fine. But the penny pinching would bite my ass if I was commiting 1K+ per year for season tickets. They have been on the brink, only to fall short. What's so great about being teased?

Without TO you're in a dog fight to win the NFC, and would be looking for a miracle vs. the AFC champion. Trade him or sign him. Just don't let him sit around and allow this story to grow.

I would argue that the Giants have not suffered greatly from the salary cap, it's been their buffoonery in the draft that has cost them.
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Old 05-02-2005, 11:44 AM
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"Managing the cap" is so overated that the Eagles and the Patriots (the only other team to be descipline of this methodology) are the only two teams that are consistently in the hunt every year. Going for the "jugular" is what sends teams packing for 3-year rebuilding stages after an injury to their jagular star.

You give yourself a chance every year by remembering what gives you that chance every year, not by betting on the jagular.

If being in cap hell was overated, the Redskins who get themselves in Cap hell every year by winning the annual off-season Go-For-the-jagular race every year would have 5 superbowls this decade already. Instead, they have zero playoff appearences.

Proof is in the pudding: Eagles, highest winning percentage of any team in the league. Pats, second. Proof of concept, there's no denying it.
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However, I think Joao Pinto's puppet from Contra Informacao would give the real Sa a good fight. Or Chucky from the Child's Play movies, for that matter."


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Old 05-02-2005, 11:47 AM
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Until the Iggz win a Lombardi that salary cap madness you spew is all for not.

The Pats winning lately is not only a tribute to how they manage the cap but to many other factors as well. Why you've mentioned both in the same breath beats me.
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Old 05-02-2005, 11:52 AM
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The Jints baffoonery remain the same - draft like shit, make up by way of free-agency, the least buck effective method of building a squad.

The result is always the same, decent starting lineup, no depth. Other than the Redskins, the VaGinas remain the NFC's team with the most drop-off between their starting roster and their supporting talent. It is no coicidence that I accurately predict year after year their late season crash and burn after the season take their toll on the starting roster. This year will be no different, despite blowing their wad on offseason acquisition (just more of the same failed formula. Proof they'll never learn).

With or without TO, the Eagles are the team to beat in the NFC. And that'll continue to be the case until NFC teams start desciplining their cap methodology around the same principle that has mad the Pats and the Eagles a success.
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However, I think Joao Pinto's puppet from Contra Informacao would give the real Sa a good fight. Or Chucky from the Child's Play movies, for that matter."


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Old 05-02-2005, 11:56 AM
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Until the Iggz win a Lombardi that salary cap madness you spew is all for not.

The Pats winning lately is not only a tribute to how they manage the cap but to many other factors as well. Why you've mentioned both in the same breath beats me.
It beats you because you're still stuck in the pre-FA, salary Cap Montana era and have a poor understanding of how today's NFL works.

Successful Cap management is the pillar to the consistent success that all other factors branch from. Without it, those other factors that make up the winning formula become merely a part of a broken equation.
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However, I think Joao Pinto's puppet from Contra Informacao would give the real Sa a good fight. Or Chucky from the Child's Play movies, for that matter."


~ Razor, on who would win in a fight between Joan Pinto and Sa Pinto

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