View Full Version : Can anyone stop the Colts big O
meJonny
01-10-2005, 01:18 PM
??? Manning is crazy just crazy :eek:
Timmy
01-10-2005, 02:35 PM
Of course they can be stopped. If you look at the list of highest scoring teams, there isn't a championship amongst them (The '83 Skins being a slight blip with a title the season before breaking the points record).
The way to stop the Colts is to do what they do to their opponents: Impose your will upon them. They want to play a game where they score early and often, allowing their defense to key on the QB. So their opponent should shoot for a game where the Colts get behind, cannot key in on the passer (A consistent running would do the trick), and have weather conditions less than optimal.
All that said, I can see the Colts slowing down their style for the Pats. James has had very good success against the Pats in their last 2 games @ Foxboro. They may try to get him going, and allow that to feed their passing game.
With the question marks both teams carry in on defense, the best option may be to force the other team to defend for as long as possible.
Ogolo
01-11-2005, 11:33 AM
??? Manning is crazy just crazy :eek:
Baltimore stopped them this year...the Pats beat the hell out of them last year...Any team at any time can be stopped in the NFL.
With that said, I think the best rivalry going in football today is between the Colts and Pats..Too bad the Colts arent in the AFC east no more. No love between these 2 different teams
The weather can stop them too.
I think the Pats have an advantage because Belichick has had two weeks to prepare even if the weather holds up. He can do some strange things with two weeks to concoct schemes to confuse Manning. I'm betting we'll see that 7 linebacker scheme (or something just as strange) more than once this weekend.
Still, I think this is Peyton's year.
Timmy
01-11-2005, 02:39 PM
I'm betting we'll see that 7 linebacker scheme (or something just as strange) more than once this weekend.
That kind of crap only works when you are playing a buffoon like Bledsoe. Cap'n Audible wouldn't fall for that.
Let's get something straight:
We can talk about schemes, and strategy, and Bellichek hocus-pocus until the cows come home: If Richard Seymour doesn't play effectivly due to his knee injury- THEY WILL LOSE BIG TIME.
It's bad enough without Law, but losing your best D-Lineman (Maybe the best in the game) too? With an effective Seymour, they get a complete lineman who demands a double team on every play.
Bellichek is a great coach, but this isn't Madden 2005.
RedEagle
01-11-2005, 03:20 PM
Defense wins, and the best defense in the league resides in Pittsburgh. The Colts are a tremendous offensive juggernaut, but their defense is suspect. That is their weakness...and if Brady and co, can manage to hold the ball for 40+ minutes and score, ala NY Giants vs the Buffalo Bills in the Superbowl, the Colts will be had by the Pats. Mind you, that Bills defense was 10 times better than this Colts defense.
Btw Tim, be very, very afraid of the Jets this coming weekend.
ala NY Giants vs the Buffalo Bills in the Superbowl,
Wasn't Fred Flinstone at that game? ;)
Even with just Ty Law out the Pats seem to have too much to overcome - that's where the weather can help even things up. I just hate to overlook the Belichick hocus-pocus factor, though. Especially with two weeks to prepare.
RedEagle
01-11-2005, 03:26 PM
Wasn't Fred Flinstone at that game? ;)
Pro'lly...but just another example why QB's don't win championships, defenses do!
Pro'lly...but just another example why QB's don't win championships, defenses do!
Sure. Tell that to Broadway Joe.
RedEagle
01-11-2005, 03:37 PM
Sure. Tell that to Broadway Joe.
Sure I will. He didn't beat the Colts...his running game, and his defense did!
He just promised it.
Sure I will. He didn't beat the Colts...his running game, and his defense did!
He just promised it.
The Colts had one of the best defenses that year. Joe surgically blew them open as well. And I saw that game being replayed on NFL Films Greatest Moments.
Timmy
01-11-2005, 05:16 PM
Btw Tim, be very, very afraid of the Jets this coming weekend.
Why, are they suiting up the icebox of doom?
Ogolo
01-11-2005, 08:48 PM
Defense wins, and the best defense in the league resides in Pittsburgh. The Colts are a tremendous offensive juggernaut, but their defense is suspect. That is their weakness...and if Brady and co, can manage to hold the ball for 40+ minutes and score, ala NY Giants vs the Buffalo Bills in the Superbowl, the Colts will be had by the Pats. Mind you, that Bills defense was 10 times better than this Colts defense.
Btw Tim, be very, very afraid of the Jets this coming weekend.
Exactly..thats the key. This game just isnt about the Colts O vs our D...Their D as to stop our O also
Surge40
01-11-2005, 09:23 PM
They Jets-Pitt game is all about turnovers. If Pennington doesnt blow the game this time it'll be tough to call.
JureM
01-12-2005, 05:49 PM
This Indy offense is great but it can be stopped. You just have to go to Super Bowl XXV to see how to stop a high powered offense and that is keep them off the field. Buffalo at that time had I believe the best offense in the NFL..the Giants stopped them because they had a great running game which kept the Bills off of the field for most of the game. I believe the Giants had roughly 45 minutes of possession that game and who could forget that opening drive of the 2nd half where the Giants literally ate up 12 minutes of the clock.
Razor
01-13-2005, 09:22 AM
Interesting comments abound here-
The buzz on the street is that Seymour is out; what few people outside of New England know though is that Ty Warren has emerged as a legitimate beast on the D line this season. The Colts ran for over 200 yards in the season opener with Seymour in the lineup; I think it's hard to say that James will run more without him, because there's no way the Colts put the game in his hands and not Manning's. Between Jarvis Green, Vince Wilfork, and Warren, we'll be OK Sunday. I'd be far more nervous heading into run-oriented Pittsburgh without Seymour; and as Red correctly mentions, I wouldn't be suprised if the YACs are dancing in the cul de sac Saturday night.
As for P's comments on the field conditions - while the forecast calls for 32 degrees and no precipitation, non-New Englanders among us here may be interested to hear that the tarp has been left OFF the field at Gillette for the past two weeks; during which we've had three separate snowstorms totalling about two feet of snow. The field will be a far cry from the fast turf Harrison, Stokely and Wayne have grown accustomed to at RCA.
What nobody else is mentioning in all this Belichek vs. Manning pre-game hype is the ultimate Colt-killer: Double Nickel himself (Willie McGinest). The man always comes up with the big play when needed against the Colts. You'll recall his stop against James on 4th & goal last season; his key sack vs. Manning in the AFC Championship game last year, and his key sack in the final minute of this year's season opener when Manning was driving down for a shot at the game-tying field goal. On 3rd down from the 30, McGinnest sacked Manning for a huge loss, putting them out of gimmee FG range for Vanderjagt and effectively icing the game for the Pats (Vanderjagt missed the FG attempt from 50 in the final seconds the next down). Look for Big Willie to do it again; maybe a tipped pass INT returned for a TD from the Colt's 30.
Extra bonus - Indy's best run-stopper (Mathis) is out; he's the guy that provides run support so overrated Dwight Freeney can rush the QB. Dillon will run inside often and easily.
I predict Manning will throw for 300 yards, 2 TDs, one pick and lose -
Pats 30 Colts 27
RedEagle
01-13-2005, 09:56 AM
Good analysis Razor, but nowhere in it, do you mention the PATS weak secondary, who will not have the officials on their corner this time around. Flags will fly.
I still think the key is not stopping Peyton necessarily, its' running Dillon till he drops from exhaustion, and Brady being Brady. The PATS will need their offense to carry them. The Pats defense just needs to hang on for dear life.
Ogolo
01-13-2005, 10:28 AM
Manning gonna have a tough time running that offense and trying to call his plays at the LOS..especially when he has 68,000 fans all chanting
CUT THAT MEAT, CUT THAT MEAT :thumbup2:
The Colts are gonna get the yards...Fortunalty for us...we have 2 hard hitting safeties that are gonna beat the crap outta them when they catch that ball. Temperature for the game supposed to be in the 20's. And when your getting drilled by Harrison, Wilson and co. your gonna feel it more and more as the game goes along. Beat up secondary and all..this is still a good, physical defense..And this time of year...the physical teams always win
Razor
01-13-2005, 10:35 AM
Manning gonna have a tough time running that offense and trying to call his plays at the LOS..especially when he has 68,000 fans all chanting
CUT THAT MEAT, CUT THAT MEAT :thumbup2:
The Colts are gonna get the yards...Fortunalty for us...we have 2 hard hitting safeties that are gonna beat the crap outta them when they catch that ball. Temperature for the game supposed to be in the 20's. And when your getting drilled by Harrison, Wilson and co. your gonna feel it more and more as the game goes along. Beat up secondary and all..this is still a good, physical defense..And this time of year...the physical teams always win
I'm obviously rooting against him this Sunday, but he gets major kudos from me for his performance in that commercial. The bit at the end where he gets the high-five and holds up his hand by his wrist is (pardon the pun)...priceless.
Great ad.
How about a resounding chorus of, "Here we go Insurance Adjusters, Here we go! <clap-clap>"??!!?!
:howler:
Ogolo
01-13-2005, 10:40 AM
I'm obviously rooting against him this Sunday, but he gets major kudos from me for his performance in that commercial. The bit at the end where he gets the high-five and holds up his hand by his wrist is (pardon the pun)...priceless.
Great ad.
How about a resounding chorus of, "Here we go Insurance Adjusters, Here we go! <clap-clap>"??!!?!
:howler:
I agree..that commercial is more significant than any any of those 49 td passes :) :shake:
Timmy
01-13-2005, 10:57 PM
My man huggy bear has told me that Seymour suffered a setback this week, and that he is OUT for Sunday's game. This is not going to be made official.
For the record, Huggy Bear was correct earlier on Faulk's knee injury and Poole going on the IR.
Ogolo
01-14-2005, 04:42 AM
My man huggy bear has told me that Seymour suffered a setback this week, and that he is OUT for Sunday's game. This is not going to be made official.
For the record, Huggy Bear was correct earlier on Faulk's knee injury and Poole going on the IR.
A mole of mine as told me that too...He also has told me Faulk will be put on IR
Razor
01-14-2005, 10:04 AM
I wasn't counting on Seymour for the Colts' game; Faulk's a key on those screen passes that work so well against the Colts, but he hasn't seen much (any?) action for over a month. Besdies - a player who's really impressed me this last month of the season has been Patrick Pass. He's feeling it and I wouldn't be suprised to see him be a factor in this game.
Don't sweat it - Dillon had an extra week of rest and he's going to be ready to go. With him rested/the field conditions the way they are/temps falling into the 20s after the sun sets (4:45 start helps the Pats!), if the Pats are up by 7 or 10 points in the 4th quarter, it's going to be over.
I'm feeling better about this game with each passing hour.
Go Pats!
Ogolo
01-14-2005, 01:29 PM
I wasn't counting on Seymour for the Colts' game; Faulk's a key on those screen passes that work so well against the Colts, but he hasn't seen much (any?) action for over a month. Besdies - a player who's really impressed me this last month of the season has been Patrick Pass. He's feeling it and I wouldn't be suprised to see him be a factor in this game.
Don't sweat it - Dillon had an extra week of rest and he's going to be ready to go. With him rested/the field conditions the way they are/temps falling into the 20s after the sun sets (4:45 start helps the Pats!), if the Pats are up by 7 or 10 points in the 4th quarter, it's going to be over.
I'm feeling better about this game with each passing hour.
Go Pats!
Hell yea me 2. Here's a quote a General Manger told Skip Bayless about Bill Belichick .....
"Give Bill Belichick two weeks and he could beat Ghengis Khan and the Mongol Hordes."
Not only is the giving BB 2 weeks, and the Dillon vs the Colts D give me confidence, but the fact that Romeo Crennel is the most underated , under looked assistent to still not yet have a coaching job. If the Pats can come with a scheme with that beat up secondary to stop Peyton, Belichick will be looked at as more of a genuis, but also Crennel will have to automatically have a head coaching job next year....This game means alot to him
Hell yea me 2. Here's a quote a General Manger told Skip Bayless about Bill Belichick .....
Skip Bayless is a don't know diddly who wrote for the San Jose Mercury News and was quickly run out of town because he was a closet Cowboys fan. As a result, that SOB no longer gets street cred round these parts nor in his home state of Texas.
Herndonite
01-14-2005, 02:33 PM
With the Colt's suspect defense and Manning's amazing skills, the score on this one could set a playoff record. I'm thinking 45-42 or some such thing.
:rock3:
JureM
01-16-2005, 06:19 PM
Guess they stopped the Indy O. The weather was terrible, but the Pats played exactly how I mentioned, establish a running game and eat the clock and that is exactly what they did. I think they had the ball for about 43 minutes of possession time.
Ogolo
01-16-2005, 06:34 PM
CUT THAT MEAT, CUT THAT MEAT.
Only 3 points..Great gameplan on both sides of the ball. Never count out the Champs baby
Licki Macak
01-17-2005, 12:25 AM
Well I see the "Croatian Sensation" Belichick has done it again!!!
The bottom line is that Belichick owns Dungy.
While Belichick had a near perfect game plan designed to explore the Colt's weaknesses, Dungy failed to maximize his team's strength and kept using a two-tightend formation to run the ball, which resulted in third and long numerous times. No wonder Dungy could never win a super bowl with Tampa Bay and the year after he's gone, Tampa Bay went all the way with basically the same players!
However, those dropped passess didn't help neither!
Right now, the only way the Colts can beat the Pats is to buy Belichick and replace Dungy! :rotfl2:
Razor
01-18-2005, 09:07 AM
That was fun :)
My personal highlight was Bruschi outwilling Mungroe for the ball.
Honorable mention goes to the chicken parm I had at my buddy's house while watching the game.
I'm not overconfident, but I feel OK going into Pittsburgh this weekend.
Go Pats!
PS to Pila - is the neighborhood still standing after Brien's miss(es)?
They've must of gone to the game, because they have not tailgated here ever since the playoffs. No doubt they took the indistructable cooler with them - they could have used the lid to place the ball on the winning FG.
Timmy
01-18-2005, 04:48 PM
I thought the cooler was coaching?
If the cooler was coaching, the Jets would have taken a few shots in the endzone rather than call a kneel-down to run two seconds off the clock (and not take opportunity to use it to atleast center the spot between the hash marks).
Razor
01-19-2005, 09:08 AM
What makes that really sad is that I heard that the Jets hired a "clock management consultant" who stands on the sidelines and supposedly offers advice to Edwards re: use of timeouts, managing the clock inside 2:00, etc.
Whatever that dude makes, he's overpaid-
Ogolo
01-20-2005, 11:15 AM
Is Peyton manning still worth all that money????
Timmy
01-20-2005, 01:13 PM
Is Peyton manning still worth all that money????
Yes..........
Is Peyton manning still worth all that money????
Is this the stupidest question in the thread?
If you answered "yes" to both questions above then your average in intelligence.
Ogolo
01-20-2005, 03:32 PM
Is this the stupidest question in the thread?
If you answered "yes" to both questions above then your average in intelligence.
hows that a stupid question sherlock???
hows that a stupid question sherlock???
He's the best QB in the NFL...How doesn't he deserve that money?
Ogolo
01-20-2005, 04:33 PM
He's the best QB in the NFL...How doesn't he deserve that money?
cuz he sucks in the big games..always has...always will.
As a 49er fan what would you rather see.. Your QB throwing 50 TD's...or a Super bowl?
cuz he sucks in the big games..always has...always will.
As a 49er fan what would you rather see.. Your QB throwing 50 TD's...or a Super bowl?
Ogolo, shut the fuck up...Same old bullshit with you....
Pats have the best defense in the league. Manning didn't have that bad of a game. In addition, Colts have no D.
Give me a fucking break man....This is pathetic....
Ogolo
01-20-2005, 04:50 PM
Ogolo, shut the fuck up...Same old bullshit with you....
Pats have the best defense in the league. Manning didn't have that bad of a game. In addition, Colts have no D.
Give me a fucking break man....This is pathetic....
Then why did everyone else in this world pick the Colts to win??
Manning didint have a statistical bad game..But he shown rattle him early and he aint as affective..dude gets aggrivated...like you seem to be now :shake:
Dont get your panty all in a bunch tuff guy...
Then why did everyone else in this world pick the Colts to win??
Because no one wanted the Pats to win. Duh........
Manning didint have a statistical bad game..But he shown rattle him early and he aint as affective..dude gets aggrivated...like you seem to be now :shake: ...
Dude was frustrated. I would be too. That's the sign of a great defense.
Dont get your panty all in a bunch tuff guy...
It's papa to you bitch.... :stuckup:
Timmy
01-20-2005, 04:59 PM
Then why did everyone else in this world pick the Colts to win??
A Pats fan pussy aching about the lack of respect?
Say it ain't so!
Ogolo
01-20-2005, 05:00 PM
Because no one wanted the Pats to win. Duh........
Dude was frustrated. I would be too. That's the sign of a great defense.
It's papa to you bitch.... :stuckup:
Nahh..no one gave the Pats a shot. But i will admit...thats a great defense.
Ill refer to you as MS.Montana.....cool?? :)
Ogolo
01-20-2005, 05:02 PM
A Pats fan pussy aching about the lack of respect?
Say it ain't so!
LOLOL... whos worse Tim Pats fans or Yankee fans??
Ogolo
01-20-2005, 05:04 PM
That kind of crap only works when you are playing a buffoon like Bledsoe. Cap'n Audible wouldn't fall for that.
Let's get something straight:
We can talk about schemes, and strategy, and Bellichek hocus-pocus until the cows come home: If Richard Seymour doesn't play effectivly due to his knee injury- THEY WILL LOSE BIG TIME.
It's bad enough without Law, but losing your best D-Lineman (Maybe the best in the game) too? With an effective Seymour, they get a complete lineman who demands a double team on every play.
Bellichek is a great coach, but this isn't Madden 2005.
You didnt have no faith either man. whats up with that? Scared for the Steelers sake huh ;)
Nahh..no one gave the Pats a shot. But i will admit...thats a great defense.
They did to. You were favored in Vegas dummy. People just wanted Manning to get it.
Ill refer to you as MS.Montana.....cool?? :)
?????
Timmy
01-20-2005, 07:50 PM
You didnt have no faith either man. whats up with that? Scared for the Steelers sake huh ;)
Richard Seymour is the best lineman in the league. I figured that they would need him to stop the run, I was wrong.
Razor
01-21-2005, 07:49 AM
OK...I can't stand it anymore. I need to know.
Timmy: when & what show/situation did Nipsy Russel espouse the quotation in your signature. Is the Hollywood Squares still on?
I haven't seen him much since the Love Boat was cancelled, yet the whole hoof and mouth phenomenon is fairly recent.
This is keeping me up at night.
Timmy
01-21-2005, 08:04 AM
I found it somewhere on the internet. I changed my signature as soon as I saw it, I don't have the link.
Razor
01-21-2005, 08:55 AM
I found it somewhere on the internet. I changed my signature as soon as I saw it, I don't have the link.
It's not even funny...but it's the perfect one-line encapsulation of what Nipsy is all about.
Amazing.
Timmy
01-24-2005, 10:53 PM
Bill Simmons posted an email today on Manning. It did a good job of summarizing why he is having a hard time getting over the Bellichek hump.
In a nutshell, Manning is such a "perfect" decision maker, he cannot think outside the box and take the proper risk when the moment dictates. Instead, he defers to the high percentage pass that may kill his drive.
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