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Ogolo
01-03-2005, 12:36 PM
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- The man in the hood is back in his 'hood, the playoffs, and for New England coach Bill Belichick, the early expectations in many quarters are that he and his Patriots will be atop the NFL throne again in five weeks.


We don't disagree.


Super matchup
On their way to a third Super Bowl title in four years, the New England Patriots will have to repeat history, and help avoid some as well.

First, the Pats will have to dispatch of the Indianapolis Colts in the divisional round tilt, just as they knocked off Peyton Manning's club in the 2004 conference championship contest. Then, they will have to travel to Pittsburgh and defeat the Steelers in the AFC title matchup, as they did in 2001 to earn a berth in Super Bowl XXXVI.

In the Super Bowl XXXIX showdown? Only one team, the 1967 Green Bay Packers, won a Super Bowl after losing its final two regular-season games. And the Patriots will make sure the Packers don't have any company in that distinction, when they defeat the Philadelphia Eagles in Jacksonville on Feb. 6.

Yeah, the throaty Eagles fans will get to celebrate with cheese steaks and scrapple as their team knocks off the Atlanta Falcons and audacious quarterback Michael Vick in the NFC championship game. But happiness is not a commodity long-lived in Philadelphia and the Eagles will fall to the Pats and keep the locals miserable for another winter.
-- Len Pasquarelli
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Three titles in four seasons, a feat only accomplished once in the Super Bowl era (Dallas in 1992-93, '95), probably would elicit the "D" word. Even with the Patriots only the No. 2 in the AFC, behind the Pittsburgh Steelers, many pundits still consider New England the team to beat. And that includes players from the team that nearly defeated the Patriots in the 2003 title game.


"Part of what you're facing when you play (New England) is the mystique of Belichick," acknowledged Carolina quarterback Jake Delhomme, whose Panthers nearly forced the Pats into overtime last year before falling in Super Bowl XXXVIII. "You have to get beyond this feeling that, no matter how much you know going into a game, he knows more. That's a good team, for sure, but (Belichick) can get inside your head. When you think about the Patriots, to be honest, he's the guy you think about first, right?"


Certainly, if the Patriots are to become the NFL's newest dynasty franchise, at a time when continuity is principally a misplaced commodity and the salary cap and free agency have conspired to render obsolete the true dominance demonstrated by past powerhouse teams, Belichick will be the primary reason why.


Forget the odds spewed out by the Vegas bookmakers. Here are the numbers that count: Belichick is 7-1 in postseason play, 2-0 in conference championship matchups, and 2-0 in Super Bowl games. His last postseason defeat was 10 years ago, a 29-9 loss at Pittsburgh in the divisional round of the '94 playoffs, when he was the Cleveland Browns' coach.


He more than atoned for that lopsided defeat by beating the Steelers, in Pittsburgh, in the 2001 AFC Championship Game, on the way to a Super Bowl XXXVI victory.


The numbers, as they say, folks, don't lie. Belichick's postseason winning percentage, a gaudy .875 mark, is by far the best among the dozen head coaches whose clubs qualified for this year's Super Bowl derby. The rest of the field sports a pedestrian aggregate mark of just 42-45, for a mundane .483 success rate.


The 11 other playoff coaches are 6-12 in conference championship games, own just three Super Bowl titles, and don't possess the aura that Belichick does.


If you think the numbers aren't pertinent, think again, because coaching and preparation are even more critical in the playoffs than in the regular season. And, truth be told, which of the sideline counterparts that he might confront in the 2004 playoffs is clearly superior to Belichick?


Certainly, by the numbers, no one.



Does another "dumping" await Bill Belichick in Jacksonville next month?
Mike Shanahan of the Broncos has the second-best winning percentage, at .700, but the man dubbed "The Mastermind in Denver" hasn't notched a postseason victory since John Elway retired following Super Bowl XXXIII and his résumé includes three first-game losses. The Steelers own home-field advantage in the AFC bracket, but Bill Cowher is just 7-8 in the postseason and his teams have twice lost in their initial playoff appearance.


And possessing home field hasn't exactly been a boon to the Steelers, who under Cowher dropped conference title games at home in '94, '97 and '01. Plus, the Steelers have the lone rookie starting quarterback (Ben Roethlisberger) in the playoffs.


Cowher's mentor, Marty Schottenheimer of San Diego, is just 5-11 in the postseason and his teams have suffered seven (mostly ignominious) first-game pratfalls. Victimized by "The Drive" in 1986 and "The Fumble" in 1987, each coming when Schottenheimer was the Browns head coach, he is 0-3 in conference championship games.


Tony Dungy of Indianapolis is 0-2 in conference title tilts and the New York Jets' Herm Edwards has yet to shepherd a team beyond the divisional round.


The NFC bracket features a pair of playoff first-timers, in Jim Mora of Atlanta and Mike Tice of Minnesota and only one man, Seattle's Mike Holmgren, with both a conference title game victory and a Super Bowl ring. Mike Martz of St. Louis lost to Belichick in the 2001 Super Bowl. Green Bay's Mike Sherman now owns three division championships but just a 2-3 postseason record. And while Philadelphia's Andy Reid has five wins in nine outings, unless you've resided in a cave the past three years, you know all about that NFC championship game thing, right?


The point is, there may be teams better than the Patriots (and we're not even prepared to concede that), but no one better than the New England coach. Even if we're wrong about that, and we doubt it, everyone else assumes Belichick is the wizard. It isn't fair to dismiss his head coach counterparts as a bunch of guys hiding behind the curtain and just pulling a lot of levers, but Belichick enjoys an unmistakable psychological advantage of which no one else can boast.


Given the adversity that Belichick was forced to overcome in 2004 -- any other playoff coach start a career linebacker at free safety, an undrafted rookie at cornerback, and play a wide receiver at nickel back during the race to the Super Bowl derby? -- this might have been his finest season. And he might yet get even better, particularly if cornerback Ty Law is ready for postseason play.


A few more numbers: In a season in which Belichick was forced to perform even more juggling than the opening act for a vaudeville show, New England still managed to score the fourth-most points in the league (437) and to surrender the second-fewest (260). The points differential, 177, was the NFL's widest. That was reflective, perhaps, of the wide edge Belichick seems to have over his peers.


"He is," allowed Patriots strong safety Rodney Harrison, "a very wise man."


Which is why the smart money says that Belichick is once again the man to beat in the playoffs.



Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com. To check out Len's chat archive, click here .




http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs04/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1957742

Timmy
01-03-2005, 12:43 PM
Does Coach B's "mystique" make up for Brady's lack of intangibles?

Ogolo
01-03-2005, 12:52 PM
Does Coach B's "mystique" make up for Brady's lack of intangibles?



Nahhh.. Pay-me Manning knows what BB's mystique is.

Flo
01-03-2005, 12:54 PM
Nahhh.. Pay-me Manning knows what BB's mystique is.

Manning deserves the dough. By far, the best QB in the NFL.

Ogolo
01-03-2005, 12:57 PM
Manning deserves the dough. By far, the best QB in the NFL.


if you say so

Flo
01-03-2005, 01:21 PM
if you say so

Who's better right now?

Ogolo
01-06-2005, 10:58 AM
Who's better right now?



this record he just broke means jack shit if he doesnt win the super bowl..

Brady is the best

Flo
01-06-2005, 11:06 AM
this record he just broke means jack shit if he doesnt win the super bowl..

Brady is the best


Bwahahahahahahahahaha :shake:

By your logic that means Trent Dilfer is better.

Ogolo
01-06-2005, 11:40 AM
Bwahahahahahahahahaha :shake:

By your logic that means Trent Dilfer is better.


nope.

but let me ask you something..whos better marino or montana??

Flo
01-06-2005, 11:49 AM
nope.

but let me ask you something..whos better marino or montana??

This my friend is a no brainer.........Please......

Ogolo
01-06-2005, 12:44 PM
This my friend is a no brainer.........Please......


but...Marino has better stats then Montana??? What sets Montana apart from marino??

Flo
01-06-2005, 12:52 PM
but...Marino has better stats then Montana??? What sets Montana apart from marino??


Many things....It's about all around game Ogolo. Manning has more of it than Brady. And many people think so or he wouldn't be the leading pro bowl vote getter.....

Ogolo
01-06-2005, 12:57 PM
Many things....It's about all around game Ogolo. Manning has more of it than Brady. And many people think so or he wouldn't be the leading pro bowl vote getter.....



pro bowl voting means squat. Manning is the popular choice right now like Vick was the 2002 season. Brady has the better all around game..Ask anyone who they want as their QB in the 4th quarter...Brady will get more votes...

Flo
01-06-2005, 01:08 PM
pro bowl voting means squat. Manning is the popular choice right now like Vick was the 2002 season. Brady has the better all around game..Ask anyone who they want as their QB in the 4th quarter...Brady will get more votes...

Oh, 4th quarter now is it? You cease to amaze...

You're a homer and very bias so talking to you about this is pointless and a waste of time....

Oh and I'd take Favre in the fourth before anyone else if you're setting that now as the criteria.

Ogolo
01-06-2005, 01:13 PM
Oh, 4th quarter now is it? You cease to amaze...

You're a homer and very bias so talking to you about this is pointless and a waste of time....

Oh and I'd take Favre in the fourth before anyone else if you're setting that now as the criteria.


No i think Brady has the better all around game. Manning isnt clutch. Hes good running up the score against the Lions and bears. I have yet to see him make a winning drive down the field.

Ogolo
01-06-2005, 01:16 PM
You're a homer and very bias so talking to you about this is pointless and a waste of time....
.


And your not??? what montana and the 49ers was to you in the 80's is what Brady and the Patriots is to me and all whole generation through out New England.

We are alot alike my freind

Flo
01-06-2005, 01:24 PM
And your not??? what montana and the 49ers was to you in the 80's is what Brady and the Patriots is to me and all whole generation through out New England.

We are alot alike my freind

Do you even know where Brady's from? He's from here and if anything I should be on the guy's bandwagon but I'm not cause I'm not sold on him. Nor are alot of people from here.

Brady is not Montana. Montana is the best at his position and alot of people who aren't homers agree with me.

Ogolo
01-06-2005, 01:30 PM
Do you even know where Brady's from? He's from here and if anything I should be on the guy's bandwagon but I'm not cause I'm not sold on him. Nor are alot of people from here.

Brady is not Montana. Montana is the best at his position and alot of people who aren't homers agree with me.


LOLOL I know alot of people from the bay area that will take Brady anyday. You and your group of freinds who think not is a small percentage. If you aint sold on a 2 time SB MVP thats your fault.


BTW your the one that brought up the Brady-Montana thing....not me

Flo
01-06-2005, 01:35 PM
LOLOL I know alot of people from the bay area that will take Brady anyday. You and your group of freinds who think not is a small percentage. If you aint sold on a 2 time SB MVP thats your fault.
Ira Miller, Ray Ratto, are sports columnists here who don't think so and it's not my little crew as what you may think....


BTW your the one that brought up the Brady-Montana thing....not me

No. You did. When you inserted who I would take. Marino or Montana.

Ogolo
01-06-2005, 01:40 PM
Ira Miller, Ray Ratto, are sports columnists here who don't think so and it's not my little crew as what you may think....



No. You did. When you inserted who I would take. Marino or Montana.


Marino and Manning is a great comparison with Manning and Brady.

Ronnie Lott, and Joe himself are sold on Brady. So was your RB at the time whos name escapes my head

Flo
01-06-2005, 01:45 PM
Marino and Manning is a great comparison with Manning and Brady.

Ronnie Lott, and Joe himself are sold on Brady. So was your RB at the time whos name escapes my head

Which one? Wendell Tyler, Roger Craig? It doesn't matter. Manning is better right now and everything that he's done, how he does it, and how he carries himself shows it. He will get the MVP. Wanna throw money on that one?

Oh, and can you say tuck rule? There's an asterisk next to one of Brady's rings for a reason big boy.

Ogolo
01-06-2005, 01:52 PM
1. Roger Craig..thats it

2. I know Manning gonna get the MVP.

3. There's no asterik next to Bradys rings...using that as an excuse shows your running out of stuff to use. Not liking the guy is one thing, but dont discredit what hes done.

Timmy
01-06-2005, 02:03 PM
Who was the guy the Niners drafted over Brady? Giovanni Mozzarella?

They'll meet up again in two weeks. The Colts defense still stinks, but the Pats defense will be it's most suspect in a little while due to injury. It should be Manning's best chance to win @ New England since his rookie year.

Flo
01-06-2005, 03:00 PM
3. There's no asterik next to Bradys rings...using that as an excuse shows your running out of stuff to use. Not liking the guy is one thing, but dont discredit what hes done.

Bwahahahahahahaha :shake:

You are a piece of work, what are you 18? My oh my, the problem's with today's youth....I'm not discrediting anything just saying you had a little on that snowy January day a few years back....

And Timmy, it was Carmazzi. Montana was drafted in third round so what's your point?

Ogolo
01-06-2005, 03:04 PM
Bwahahahahahahaha :shake:

You are a piece of work, what are you 18? My oh my, the problem's with today's youth....I'm not discrediting anything just saying you had a little on that snowy January day a few years back....

And Timmy, it was Carmazzi. Montana was drafted in third round so what's your point?


The best players/teams always seem to have the ball bounce their way

Ogolo
01-06-2005, 03:05 PM
Who was the guy the Niners drafted over Brady? Giovanni Mozzarella?

They'll meet up again in two weeks. The Colts defense still stinks, but the Pats defense will be it's most suspect in a little while due to injury. It should be Manning's best chance to win @ New England since his rookie year.


i agree 100%

RedEagle
01-06-2005, 03:13 PM
This my friend is a no brainer.........Please......

Correct. Marino was the better QB when compared to Montana.

Flo
01-06-2005, 03:15 PM
Correct. Marino was the better QB when compared to Montana.

Always count on Red to come in every now and again and post some ridiculous fodder.....

As always, you're predicatable...

RedEagle
01-06-2005, 03:19 PM
Always count on Red to come in every now and again and post some ridiculous fodder.....

As always, you're predicatable...

Glad to oblige you. I'm always here to provide clarity to the don't know diddlies who think Montana is the best and that Barry Bonds didn't take steroids!

Flo
01-06-2005, 03:27 PM
I'm always here to provide clarity to the don't know diddlies who think Montana is the best and that Barry Bonds didn't take steroids!

It also shouold apply to those who think the New York Giants are the most exciting team in football....


In other news...The 49ers cleaned house yesterday....Get ready for the Carroll/Leinart dynasty to begin in San Fran. We're rolling it over folks!

RedEagle
01-06-2005, 03:47 PM
It also shouold apply to those who think the New York Giants are the most exciting team in football....


In other news...The 49ers cleaned house yesterday....Get ready for the Carroll/Leinart dynasty to begin in San Fran. We're rolling it over folks!

So USC is now gonna become the 49'ers bottom feeder?

Flo
01-06-2005, 03:55 PM
So USC is now gonna become the 49'ers bottom feeder?

Just like Notre Dame was ours in the late 70's and early 80's....

I smell a dynasty all over again....

Ogolo
01-06-2005, 04:16 PM
In other news...The 49ers cleaned house yesterday....Get ready for the Carroll/Leinart dynasty to begin in San Fran. We're rolling it over folks!


I like Pete Carroll..Easy goin guy, seemed like a great guy, but I dont think hes an NFL type coach. When he was here..players never took him serious, they always went behind his back to the FO when they really wanted something. He was liked..but he wasnt respected, I dont think hes NFL type, from his experience here.

Timmy
01-07-2005, 08:35 AM
Hiring Peter Carrol would be a terrible mistake for the Niners and him. With the name brand he has quickly redeveloped at USC, and the clear advantage he has with Norm Chow as his offensive guru, he could become a legend in the college ranks.

His skills do not translate well to the pros. Pete Carrol comes across as a nice person, and you have to be sociopath to win in the NFL.

Penguin
01-07-2005, 09:17 AM
I haven't really thought this one through, but I figured I'd throw this out there:

Besides Jimmy Johnson, who was the last college coach in recent memory truly succeed in the NFL after crossing over? Other than JJ and Bill Walsh, I can't think of any college coach who went on to win a Super Bowl. Technically, Switzer would be 3, but I was thinking of coaches who went directly from a College position to an NFL head coach position. Besides those 3, the only successful coaches that come to mind are John Robinson (Rams in early 80s) and Bobby Ross (took San Diego to a Super Bowl).


The list of failed college coaches is long and illustrious. Steve Spurrier, Bud Wilkerson, Lou Holtz, Dennis Erickson, John McKay, Dick MacPherson...

Ogolo
01-07-2005, 04:04 PM
back to the original subject on hand.......Ty Law has just been placed on IR. Now lets see if this mystique really is true

Licki Macak
01-16-2005, 11:06 AM
Well Ogolo Im waiting to see if the "mystique" is really true also. But never under estimate Belicic {his true Croatian spelled name}. I think in the end he will out coach Tony D. :blues: