pathetic (re...Swe - Cro)

[BOban_2]

If this is true then Johanson and the Swedish media can go to hell and kiss our :ass:

http://www.sportnet.hr/Stranica_v2.asp?S=vijest&ID=248343

[CroatTommy7]

We shouldn't let this bother us. As the saying goes NEKA PATI KOGA SMETA :finger2: :finger2: . We have our guys in the savez that should take things up diplomatically with the Swedish fedration and UEFA about these ridiculous comments(Srna MONKEY!!! awful). In all honesty I love it because just like in 96 and 98 when for some reason big western powers hated us they are doing it again now it must mean we are doing something right and we are playing better than they expected(even though its only 1 win against a little above average side in Sweden) they will calm down soon enough and we will continue to be concentrated and continue to progress through the group as best as we can :cool1:

[Dragan T]

Wow, that's some pretty heavy sh!t (the article that is). I dunno, I'd like to not believe that all of that has been said about us, but if it's true then :argue: . I also seriously doubt whether Zlatan really said that about us, since he's half muslim/Croatia whatever....

[Zvonimir]

Did this cocksucker call Totti a monkey when he ACTUALLY spit on someone at Euro? :wth:
I bet he didn't or there would be outrage...but this kunt is a sore loser and thinks because it's "only" Croatia he can get away with it...F him.

As for Ibrahimovic, he can kiss my a$$ as well...what a dummy. Since when is this dick a full blooded Swede?

Oh, I pray we smoke these swedes in the retrun game..the atmosphere will be electric when play them. I want that one bitch who went after Simunic smoked in particular. He then grabbed Robert Kovac around the neck..thankfully Robert kept his cool or he would have got a second yellow and been gone from that game and suspended vs the Bulgarians...

What sore losers...they get embarrassed in hockey one day by the Czechs, then they lose in soccer the next to us...f them!. :ass: :ass: :angryf: :angryf:

Srna, thanks for the great goal! :bow:

[robin]

In two words,


FUCK THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angryf: :angryf: :angryf:

[Licki Macak]

Ma tko ih jebe! Bas me briga sto ludi Svedjani misle

[croatian king]

:angryf: the dumb swedish players who made stupid comments especially zlatan who is half croatian and bosnian ( which is bacically croatian anyway) he should be playing for us but this bitch has the gall to be an complete idiot at least the disgrace marko viduka didnt go that far

[Ante-8-]

I can just confirm that everything in that article is true. Swedish media + that fat bastard Johansson disrespect our boys totally. Swedish media have discussed the Ibrahimovic "goal" 2 days now. But not once in the replays have they showed how Larsson got the ball from Srna (I think), only the "drop" into goal.

And they are refering to how Croats are known for foul-play, and simulate very much and tricks here and there. And that they play very ugly, brutal and so on. Only one newspaper said that Mellberg should have recived a red card. btw.......Mellberg told in the interview after the game that this was the worst behaviour there is from the croats, and that they are sad people for football in general.

[Ante-8-]

:angryf: the dumb swedish players who made stupid comments especially zlatan who is half croatian and bosnian ( which is bacically croatian anyway) he should be playing for us but this bitch has the gall to be an complete idiot at least the disgrace marko viduka didnt go that far

To be honest I haven´t seen much negative comments from Zlatan against Croatia. And I have read all major newspapers and seen all interviews on tv. Contrary he told the newspapers that Croatia was a very strong team, with a defense that made him and Larsson look invisible.

[JureM]

Well, I wonder how they would feel if people say that their 2-2 tie with the Danes in Euro was a bit fishy since both teams needed that result to move on and eliminate the Italians.

It's easy to win with dignity but, but I guess some teams can't lose with dignity. They can't handle to fact that they've been beaten after scoring 7 against Malta, running up the score and embarrassing that team is not to sporting now is it?

[bibi]

Swedes are very sportsman-like when they win.

When the qualification-world-champions lose they get sour.
Especially towards a "minor" team (yes, I am convinced that
deep inside all swedes think that all eastern european teams
are inferior - with the possible exception of the czechs).

Anyway, save the passion and the heat for the return in Zagreb,
where i hope you'll really whip their butts!

Stay cool and enjoy the win,

BBB

[CroatTommy7]

Thanks BiBi, the game against Bulgaria in October should be interesting since we have both recovered from bad Euro's. Swedes are just like the rest of the Western Euro countries they are cultured when they are winning but act like idiots and worse than most of the people they consider "balkan's" when they lose. I remember Suker saying something like that when the Germans were sour after we destroyed them in 98, they were whigning and bitching but never said anything about bad refereeing in 96 when they had all the breaks(way too many in fact). Thats sport, we had a similair situation against France this Euro but I personally would blame ourselves first for our tie rather than the ref. We played awful in general and didn't deserve better and Tudor shouldn't have made that attrocious back pass in the first place.

Jure once again GREAT POINT! the 2-2 tie was a little suspicious but hey it was in thier favour so its o.k. ya right.

[Hajduk_Hrvatska]

OMG! FUCK THEM! Every time we do something right there mother fuckers on the west are fucking on our ass, after WC 98 our first game was against Ireland and if u remember and I bet most of you do the Portugese ref called two bullshit penalties against us and Ireland won 2-0. And during WC 98 I remember people calling Suker a diver because he got knocked up and scored a goal a couple minutes later, fuck the Westerners. And the swedes what fuckin sore losers making up excuses. I hope Bulgaria makes it to the World Cup with us, I really hope so. to Ibrahimovic fuck you your'e not a swede stop talking out of your'e ass.

[Licki Macak]

Hey Hajduk update your scoreboard ASAP please :crazyt:

[Ero]

jebiga, what do you expect,when they lose, everyones to blame exept them.

But we came, we saw, we kicked ass !!

We outplayed them, out ran them, and took their points despite the referee who was, on retrospect, more damaging to us than them by a LOOOONGSHOT !...jebiga, good luck in the rest of the qualifiers to the Swedes, they will certainly need it.

Whereas we make our own luck from now on...IDEMO DALJE !!

[Ljubuski]

--
If any one of our players, officials, coaches, fans used the term monkey we'd be branded as 'backward', 'racist', 'out of touch' etc. and there would be countless comments on how we had a 'fascist' past and how many of our fans use Ustasa symbols and so forth.

But this drama reads as if we're the ones who are to blame even when language like that is used.

I tell you. All of those countries look down on us ( and I mean most of East Europe/Slavic peoples) but only in their minds, they'll never openly say it.

Terms such as 'inferior' are quite common in the west, when discussing their wonderful culture compared to everybody else. But we win in Sweden and get called monkeys? How dare we!!

Look at all the sad comments coming out of them, it sounds typical of a western European mentality. It's as if they were pre-ordained in their own minds to win and we had no right to take 3 points. The nerve of those Easterners.

Want further proof? Look up what France is doing now to the new 'equal' partners in the EU and the tax system/transfer payment debate. A total joke, they're all hypocrites. No matter in 50 years west Europe will be all Arab anyway.

I like the talk of full blooded Croatian Ibrahimovic because he is.

Cheers

ps. We get chastised for a few banners at the Euros and we get called monkeys and you hear nothing of the sort. I believe they have every right to say what they want, but if we get the criticisms then they should also.

[JureM]

--
Want further proof? Look up what France is doing now to the new 'equal' partners in the EU and the tax system/transfer payment debate.
.


That is exactly why we shouldn't be pushing so hard to get into the EU. A few months back there was a diplomat from Israel who spoke to the Croatian people in Zagreb and he said simply, the Croatians fought so hard for their freedom and why are we so quick to give that freedom away by trying to get into the EU?

Not only will they tax us to death, they will take anything and everything that is worth something in Hrvatska for themselves and once again we will have to take orders from a foreign capital and not our own.

Ehhh...now you got me started, Ljubo... :explode: :eek2: :frog2: :grin:

[BOban_2]

hehe...in retrospect, maybe it was a bad idea to start this thread ;)

[Hajduk_Hrvatska]

That is exactly why we shouldn't be pushing so hard to get into the EU. A few months back there was a diplomat from Israel who spoke to the Croatian people in Zagreb and he said simply, the Croatians fought so hard for their freedom and why are we so quick to give that freedom away by trying to get into the EU?

Not only will they tax us to death, they will take anything and everything that is worth something in Hrvatska for themselves and once again we will have to take orders from a foreign capital and not our own.

Ehhh...now you got me started, Ljubo... :explode: :eek2: :frog2: :grin:
yup, joining the EU will ruin our country.

[croatian king]

--
If any one of our players, officials, coaches, fans used the term monkey we'd be branded as 'backward', 'racist', 'out of touch' etc. and there would be countless comments on how we had a 'fascist' past and how many of our fans use Ustasa symbols and so forth.

But this drama reads as if we're the ones who are to blame even when language like that is used.

I tell you. All of those countries look down on us ( and I mean most of East Europe/Slavic peoples) but only in their minds, they'll never openly say it.

Terms such as 'inferior' are quite common in the west, when discussing their wonderful culture compared to everybody else. But we win in Sweden and get called monkeys? How dare we!!

Look at all the sad comments coming out of them, it sounds typical of a western European mentality. It's as if they were pre-ordained in their own minds to win and we had no right to take 3 points. The nerve of those Easterners.

Want further proof? Look up what France is doing now to the new 'equal' partners in the EU and the tax system/transfer payment debate. A total joke, they're all hypocrites. No matter in 50 years west Europe will be all Arab anyway.

I like the talk of full blooded Croatian Ibrahimovic because he is.

Cheers

ps. We get chastised for a few banners at the Euros and we get called monkeys and you hear nothing of the sort. I believe they have every right to say what they want, but if we get the criticisms then they should also.

you know what people just jealous that tiny croatian can compete and beat bigger countries especially sweden and france whos star players arent even of french or swedish origin Ibrahimovic=croat zidane= aussie

and yeah i would like croatia not to join eu

[Ante-8-]

you know what people just jealous that tiny croatian can compete and beat bigger countries especially sweden and france whos star players arent even of french or swedish origin Ibrahimovic=croat zidane= aussie

and yeah i would like croatia not to join eu

Zidane aussie?

He´s from north Africa, I think he´s from Algeria (maybe Marocco)

And Yeah...Sweden have had several players with croatian roots playing for the NT........Ibrahimovic, Lucic, Jozo Matovac, Prica...I think even that Majstorovic is croat.

Hmm........I want Croatia to join EU. (I have just started university with EU in focus.....4 long years)

[JureM]

Zidane aussie?

He's from Adelaide...


And Yeah...Sweden have had several players with croatian roots playing for the NT........Ibrahimovic,

Wasn't Ibrahimovic born in Sweden? Which would make him...well, ahhh....Swede? :winkg:

Hmm......... (I have just started university with EU in focus.....4 long years)


Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. :sad: :hide: :googly: :bright:

Seriously, how much of your well earned money is being taken away by the tax man in Sweden? What is the tax rate in the EU? just curious that's all.

[Licki Macak]

The EU is just a bigger Yugoslavia, I see no reason of joining up. The only people that are going to benefit are the crooked politicians.

[Ante-8-]

He's from Adelaide...




Wasn't Ibrahimovic born in Sweden? Which would make him...well, ahhh....Swede? :winkg:




Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. :sad: :hide: :googly: :bright:

Seriously, how much of your well earned money is being taken away by the tax man in Sweden? What is the tax rate in the EU? just curious that's all.

tax in Sweden is between 30-32% on pay.
about 75% on alcohol/tobacco and petrol

[Licki Macak]

With numbers like that I see no reason why Hrv should not join :stupid:

[CroatTommy7]

CORRECT GUYS! the EU will bring us nothing but problems. The thing is we were already in the EU before all these supposed big western Euro countries were. IT WAS CALLED AUSTRIA-HUNGARY!!!!! it was basically the biggest union in Europe(that and the Ottoman Empire) and included Austria-Hungary-Czech-Slovakia, areas of Germany-Croatia-Bosnia and Hercegovina towards the end. Was that working for us the smaller ones? NO and we wanted to desperately to get out and now they are packaging the same shit to us in a different wrapping and we are buying it once again? WHY? I don't know one Croat that wishes someone elses land because our own is so beautiful already so why join some union with others when they don't have what we have? also where were these European "friends" when we were attacked in 91? jebo ja njih..... They need us we don't need them. I personally like seeing the KUNA as our currency and other things that distinguish us a people, I dont want to see that taken away to be a part of a fake European Union run by the big countries(France-Germany). SVOM NA SVOME :cool:

[BOban_2]

zidane= aussie

Zidane an aussie :D LOL...He is a Berber from Algeria, not from Morroco and certainly not from down under.

About EU...I agree with you guys but it is easy for us to judge whether Croatia should get into EU or not while we live in US/Australia/Canada/... Let the Croats in Croatia decide by referendum whether they want to join or not.

[JureM]

You mean he's (zidane) not an Aussie???????


oh man, look what B2 and Ljubo started! Actually, just like with Yugo the Croatian people will not have a say in the matter and some politicians in Zagreb will deside if its best to take orders from Paris, Berlin, Brussels, etc. Kind of sounds like Austro-Hungary and 1918 all over again where the Croatian people never had a say in the matter...and if you're going to wait until Paris gives to OK to defend oneself, you'll be waiting forever because those people never were able to defend themselves.

I've just finished reading Ljubo's newest book..."How to Hijack a Thread...the Story of the EU and Croatia." :blues:

[Licki Macak]

Sport Nogomet
11.09.2004 17:23

SKANDAL Prvi čovjek Uefe uvrijedio hrvatskog reprezentativca Darija Srnu
Johannson: Srna se ponio poput majmuna
Autor Željko JANKOVIĆ




Velika pobjeda Hrvatske nad Švedskom proteklih dana puni novinske stupce širom Europe. I dok većina europskih novina piše afirmativno o sjajnom uspjehu Hrvatske, švedski novinari u cijeloj priči vide drugu dimenziju. Više nego zaslužena pobjeda naše izabrane vrste među švedskim kolegama nije primljena nimalo sportski. Rijetki su bili komentari koji nisu isticali španjolskog suca Ibaneza kao glavnog krivca za poraz. Rijetki su bili i oni koji su priznali da je briljantna igra posljednje linije obrane Hrvatske na čelu s Igorom Tudorom u džep strpala razvikani švedski tercet Ibrahimović - Ljungberg - Larsson.
"Španjolac je očigledno pokrao Švedsku jer je poništeni pogodak u 71. minuti bio potpuno regularan", ističe švedski dnevni list Expressen.

Junak te večeri na Ullevi stadionu Darijo Srna bio je predmet najdetaljnijih analiza. Njegovo navodno pljuvanje Edmana prikazano je kao drugi najveći previd španjolskog suca. Istini za volju, naš Darijo uistinu je iskazao sve odlike dalmatinskog temperamenta, ali sve su televizijske analize dokazale da nikakvog pljuvanja nije bilo. U zaštitu interesa skandinavskog nogometa stao je, potpuno očekivano, i predsjednik Uefe Lennart Johannson. Međutim, način na koji je reagirao neposredno nakon utakmice zgrozio je cijeli civilizirani nogometni svijet.

- Takvo je ponašanje nedopustivo. Srna se ponio poput majmuna - rekao je "veliki" džentlmen Lennart Johannson.

Mnogi tvrde da Johannsonova patološka netolerantnost prema hrvatskom nogometu gotovo sigurno datira još od izbora za predsjednika Fife, kada je HNS svoj glas dao Seppu Blatteru, a ne Johannsonu. Činjenica da se Johannson nije uspio prometnuti u prvog čovjeka krovne svjetske nogometne institucije očito je jako bolna i nešto što "civilizirani" Johannson nama "primitivnim Balkancima" nikad neće oprostiti.




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vlado-A-Walter ‌ 11.09.2004 ‌ 08:27 Odgovor
Johannson
Mislim da je sad stvar FIFE da rijesi ponasanje svog celnog covjeka i red bi bio da ga smjeni a Srni da plati odstetu za uvredu jer ovakava jednostranost prvog covjeka Fife bas nije Evropski kako se svi zapadnjaci vole nazivati,njih svih boli kiad mala Hrvatska pobjeduje,ali nasi decki su spremni i to pregorjeti i krenuti u sljedecu pobjedu a evropljane nek boli .



IVI ‌ 11.09.2004 ‌ 08:25 Odgovor
johannson
neka on popusi nama balkancima-KURAC-a sa svojom arogancijom potpomaze i tu Glupu FiFa i druge nogometne mafijaske institucije jer to vec odavno nema veze sa nogometom to je mafijaska institucija, gdje samo veliki smiju pobjediti a mali trpjeti zato se ja serem na tu Europu jer je to za mene Anarhija.

[robin]

I used to think that the EU might be a good way for Cro to progress economically and culturally, but it seems this might be the worst option for our people. Well, just like Boban said, let them decide over there what they want.

[robin]

BTW, another F you to Johansson and the Swedish press!!!! :angryf: :angryf: :angryf:

[bibi]

tax in Sweden is between 30-32% on pay.
about 75% on alcohol/tobacco and petrol

hej Ante you must be living in a very different part of sweden. ;)

where i am taxes on pay range up to 51%...
but you also forgot the 25% on food etc. all and all top 3 in the
world on taxes!

EU, one is f*cked one way or the other. Stay out, and it will be so hard
to work in Europe/US/etc (the only contry that has successfully stayed
out is Norway - but they are sooo damn rich, with oil and all...)

but seriously, can you see your polititians staying out of the EU
(man it is like a wet-dream-come-through for most polititians)

BBB

ps but surely there will be more money going IN to Croatia than
out (to the EU). Only 5 (five) members pay more than they get
back (sweden is one of them)

[Ante-8-]

With numbers like that I see no reason why Hrv should not join :stupid:


Taxes has nothing to do with EU!!! Every country decides taxes on their own inside or outside EU.

[Ante-8-]

hej Ante you must be living in a very different part of sweden. ;)

where i am taxes on pay range up to 51%...
but you also forgot the 25% on food etc. all and all top 3 in the
world on taxes!




I guess so........because taxes on salary is still around 30%.......those 51% is when you make more money then averege...........it´s about 27500 kr/month and the making over that sum is up to 50%. The tax on food is 12%, the 25% you mean is on restaurants. :tongue:

[JureM]

Taxes has nothing to do with EU!!! Every country decides taxes on their own inside or outside EU.


You're right..but, it seems as though the Frenchies want to have a uniform tax throughout the EU (they want to discourage competition it seems like) and will bar any kind of funding for those countries with lower tax rates. the Brits, Czechs, and Slovaks don't like this too much...

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040906/bs_afp/eu_tax_france_slovakia_040906180339

"Instead of implementing reforms that are require political courage, they (French leaders) begin to interfere without any basis in the internal affairs of other countries," Rusko told AFP.


"This initiative is nonsense and comes from pure populism from French politicians," he added.

The French can't even govern themselves yet, they want to govern other people's lives. It seems the countries of the Former Soviet bloc know and understand what economic freedom means and can bring, while the Western Europeans are basically nothing but neo-Socialist States trying to suppress any kind of competition and freedoms.

Man...are we getting deep here or what??? :grin:

[JureM]

One more thing...we should change the name of this thread to "pathetic (Hajduk Split)" The really were pathetic in losing 3-0 today. If you can't get up for a big derby you might as well give it up the rest of the season.

[BaD^bLu^BoY]

its easy for all of us who are living in oz/canada/sweden/US to say that we shouldnt join the EU when we have stable jobs and live in economically stable countries with low unemployment rates

but unemployment in croatia is somewhere around the 20% mark last time i checked

what ever way u look at it, the EU will benefit croatia largely in an ECONOMIC sense...i dont think anyone can argue with that

and in the end thats what it comes down to....feeding your family or still being completely independant....jebiga, life is like that


ive always maintained that croatia shouldnt bend over backwards just for EU membership...we have done so much for those cunts out in the west just so they could consider us....ive always said that its not worth it

but its easy for me to say when im only 18 yet i have a stable job and attend uni full-time and know that even if i quit my job i can get another one straight away

for people in croatia its not as easy

[Ljubuski]

After decades of state planned economics the people over there should know what it leads to.

And now they're contemplating the same thing only instead of Beograd it's Brussels.

The Communist system ingrained laziness over there, as I know many refuse to do the types of jobs I have to do here. I honestly sensed last time I was there they thought money fuc.kin' grew on trees here. I can say what I please about Croatia joining or not joining the EU as it's a decision that would affect Hrvati all over the world. I don't like it but if they go through with it I hope they can avoid getting pushed around the way Paris is trying to do with the rest of the new members.

The EU is nothing more than an extension of Liberal French dominance after Germany was too scared with war guilt after WWII to stand up for itself. For crying out loud it's only supposed to be separate trade deals amongst countries that's all.

In any case, if the EU were as good as some say then I'd be all for Croatia joining the day after the British accepted it.

They haven't even brought it to a vote yet, because the people there would never accept it. But their politicians are telling Croatia to join...and you want these fools to run our economy, society, culture and (gulp!) army?

No fuc.kin way.

[BaD^bLu^BoY]

In any case, if the EU were as good as some say then I'd be all for Croatia joining the day after the British accepted it.



britain is in the EU...they just havent taken on the EURO

[Ljubuski]

Don't nit-pick through the post. They still haven't, and never will accept full membership (meaning adopting the Euro).

If we join it's implied the Euro soon follows.

So I say again, I support it as soon as the British do. Why not follow the British model? Or is it all about the big western countries telling everyone else what to do? That's the way it's always been more or less.

Like I said nothing more than soft French Imperialism.

Cheers

[BaD^bLu^BoY]

i dont support it and im not against it...im indifferent to it

from a purely economic point-of-view the benefits are endless

but its not for me to decide in the end...it will be for the people of croatia

[JureM]

but its not for me to decide in the end...it will be for the people of croatia


Yeah, but unfortunatly every stupid union we've ever entered in, the people NEVER desided because the politicians pretty much know what they will say...and that is NO.

Austro-Hungarian empire..we as a people never voted to enter it....that jail known as Yugoslavia, the people never voted to enter in 1918 rather some "intelectuals" forced us into that country with the help of the Brits and Woodrow Wilson who left it up to the Europeans on what to do with the remains of the AUstro-Hungarian empire. The one person who knew what the people wanted was Stjepan Radic and he got killed because of it...then in 1990, when we actually DID have a referendum with the choice: 1. Remain in a Confederative Yugoslavia or 2 Complete and total Independence what did the people chose? THey chose #2. I believe that once again, if the people do get the choice, they will chose independence over another union because each Union we were in failed because we are an independence minded people. The EU will do more damage than it does good because the large countries led by the French will try to control every aspect of our lives and milk all our resources for themselves and what will they do? They will just throw a bone at us while they take everything that is actually worth something.

[BaD^bLu^BoY]

thats true...

but like i said, economically we will benefit and thats what the governments want...unfortunately you are right, the people may not get much of a say

ive been against the whole thing for a while now...we have given up a lot (i wont mention specific things since it could lead to a political argument) just for them to consider us

i dont like the idea of us licking their balls to get into it...it should be on OUR terms and not theirs...but this wont happen

[Omolje]

ljubo, jure spot on boys :clap: :rock3: It seems the zagreb 'inteligencia' has forgot to soon the lesson of our history, worst of all while the while the ratne rane are relatively fresh al over Croatia . Croatias dignity and pride anyways was always been represented by the simple man and thru human sacrifice on the krsni kamen and not in the halls of the western ass licker prodane duse in the banski dvori

[dinamovac11]

:nono:

oh ok, so it is fine if JureM the dictator talks about politics, but if it were one of us this thread would have been locked, deleted and banished. Down with the dictator! :laugh2:

[JureM]

:nono:

oh ok, so it is fine if JureM the dictator talks about politics, but if it were one of us this thread would have been locked, deleted and banished. Down with the dictator! :laugh2:


No no, Ljubo always talks politics...so there! :punch: :flame: :rocker2: :laugh2:

[Ljubuski]

thats true...

but like i said, economically we will benefit and thats what the governments want...unfortunately you are right, the people may not get much of a say

ive been against the whole thing for a while now...we have given up a lot (i wont mention specific things since it could lead to a political argument) just for them to consider us

i dont like the idea of us licking their balls to get into it...it should be on OUR terms and not theirs...but this wont happen

Good man. (Though BBB you just said you're indifferent then opposed to it but your points are excellent above).


I don't like the fact they say we'd be equal partners, but if we have a grievance, the French act like we're lucky to be in the same union with them.

Look how they have double standards with their subsidizing farmers but telling everyone else they're not allowed.

Over 60% of the EU budget is paid by Germans. As soon as they get over their guilt the EU will have problems because German money is being bloodsucked out of that country to pay for God know what type of equalization programs or some immigrant acceptance policy in Birmingham. Once the Germans aren't scared to look themselves in the mirror anymore they're going to want to keep German money in Germany. Can Chirac push around the Deutsches? Nope.

And there's no guarantee once Croatia reeps the rewards of a soon-to-be profitable tourism industry that our money will stay in Zagreb. If we make too much according to some unelected bureaucrat in Brussels we have to send transfer payments there to help prop up poorer regions of the EU. And I don't think our people back home will respond too well if they find out some of that money may end up going east.

We've tried this whole system before and it doesn't work. And I don't want to be part of a 'Europe' that doesn't even mention God in it's constitution. More proof this is just a by-product of liberal elites.

[CroatTommy7]

BEST POINT OF ALL LJUBUSKI! The EU constitution doesn't even want to mention Christ or God in it! BEZKRSNA EVROPA! All a bunch of Free Masons. Now I know it sounds like a petty reason not to join a Union which could increase your monitary wealth but our religion and our belief have been at the forefront of our culture since we have accepted Christianity and we wouldn't have been called the remparts of Christendom for nothing. All those western Euro countries have no religion anymore and are mostly atheist and thats not good. Only Ireland and Portugal are actually left as real believers. Ima nesto vrijednije od zlata!

[Ante-8-]

Don't nit-pick through the post. They still haven't, and never will accept full membership (meaning adopting the Euro).

If we join it's implied the Euro soon follows.




That´s not true! You can be a full member without joining the EMU. Sweden has been members since 1995, and we still havn´t accepted EMU. We had a voting only a year ago were we didn´t accept it.

Please don´t compare the EU with Commi-regim....that´s way off!

[Ljubuski]

The intention from the current EU leaders is to render the current 1648 agreements null and void. There's talk of an integrated Defence system under the EU banner and talk of a full EU army.

You don't have to be a Euro-accepted member now Ante but it's still in the cards. Sweden may have voted against accepting the currency but who's to say in 5 years Brussels won't push it again? If they're going for military/foreign policy unity then they'll eventually demand monetary unity also.

About the EU-Communist analogy. I've heard about some of the labour laws that exist in some European countries and I'm appalled that people have to try to operate businesses in that atmosphere. If not a Communist system then it's a socialist utopia.

Cheers

ps. This is the same group of people who in 1995 under the yoke of the EU court, who RUINED the old footballing system and brought us to the troubles we have now.

And these clowns may get jurisdiction over Croatia?

pps. And like I said in 50 years it won't matter much as the EU constitution will be nothing more than Sharia.

[Ante-8-]

i dont like the idea of us licking their balls to get into it...it should be on OUR terms and not theirs...but this wont happen

I understand your point, but the problem is that we won´t be able to do much on "our terms"

Allready 25! european countries are members in EU (from this year we had 10 new members) and soon (probably 2007) romania, bulgaria and (maybe) turkey will join EU. And the rest of the "yugo-countries" wants to join. Only norway, iceland, schweiz and san marino will be outside EU, and these are rich countries. This means that EU won´t have to listen at all of what we have to say. We will then have to listen to them without a possibilty to influence. If you want them to listen you have to be a member.

[Ante-8-]

There's talk of an integrated Defence system under the EU banner and talk of a full EU army.

You don't have to be a Euro-accepted member now Ante but it's still in the cards. Sweden may have voted against accepting the currency but who's to say in 5 years Brussels won't push it again?


NO, there will not be an integrated defence system in EU....that´s for sure. We have Nato for that, and you can´t mix them up. What will be integrated is policeforce over the borders such as Interpol, it goes by the name Europol and that is only in some cases, for example terrorists where 2 or more countries are involved.

About the voting......EU can´t force a country to accept EMU. Every country decides by itself when they feel ready to join EMU. And in such case it comes to a voting where the CROATIAN people vote if they want to join or not.

[CroatTommy7]

If everyone is joining the EU and its so easy to join whats so special about it then? I would rather be alone and special :grin2: not in a bad way then following the pack with a sheep herd mentality. EU was once prestigous when it only included the big(or important) western countries(thats why we were never asked to join back then) now when those same western countries see a chance to gain something from the backwards eastern ones they think of asking us (Croatia)as well. Sure ultimatly its up to the people of Croatia to decide but like JureM said in other big decision for Croatia's future the people were never asked and thats why we ended up in big problems which we spend hundreds of years trying to fix and get out of and now when we finally have our limited independance we are looking to go backwards and start answering to someone else other than a Croat again.

[Ljubuski]

NO, there will not be an integrated defence system in EU....that´s for sure. We have Nato for that, and you can´t mix them up. What will be integrated is policeforce over the borders such as Interpol, it goes by the name Europol and that is only in some cases, for example terrorists where 2 or more countries are involved.

About the voting......EU can´t force a country to accept EMU. Every country decides by itself when they feel ready to join EMU. And in such case it comes to a voting where the CROATIAN people vote if they want to join or not.

I've read the EU is planning for some sort of defence mechanism to join their political arm. Makes sense if they want to add any muscle to their foreign policy. The French and Germans have been conducting military operations for the last few years so yeah there is a move to make the EU some sort of military power.

I never said the EU can 'force' a country to vote in it's favour. But the forces within the country are nothing more than agents of the EU putting pressure on the people to accept.

The Irish rejected the damned thing but soon after had the issue rammed down their throats by liberals and were bludgoened into accepting.

I ask: if there's two votes, or more to get in why is that once a country is there, if they are 'independent' members, no votes are taken to keep them in or to get out if the deal doesn't come up to the promised standard? So once the EU is accepted it's a done deal? What if the EU lives up to the same standard as the Communist deal with Beograd?

And about forcing the countries about policy. Look at the 'independent' Austrian voters and how their 'independent' country was punished for democratically electing Haider's party. What the F does the EU have to do with the dealings of Vienna? I can imagine some EU socialists would have the same reaction of a Croatia in the EU voted for a harder HDZ-type candidate. That for me is unacceptable.

This is nothing more than French imperialism. They're not part of NATO and pushing for a EU army is nothing more than their way of increasing influence without having to earn it.

Cheers

[BOban_2]

:angryf: the French

PS...I don't believe that there is a law in the EU stating that once a country is in it can't get out. I believe that that is possible. The US on the other hand, I believe, does not allow for secession of one or more states from the union.

I could be wrong, but probably am not :D

[JureM]

My God people...what's with all the political talk, this is a football forum! :laugh2: :drunk: :mute: :hammer: :yeldance: :yeldance: :yeldance: :tong: :rocker2: :cool1:

[Ante-8-]

:angryf: the French

PS...I don't believe that there is a law in the EU stating that once a country is in it can't get out. I believe that that is possible.
I could be wrong, but probably am not :D


Actually there is a law that say that a accepted member must stay. About the Jurg Heider remark..........EU can´t control what Austria should do, but they can lobby against his ruling.......and they did.....EU can with "cold" relations on the diplomatic area create changes in a country. One of the fundamental rules of being a member of EU is that the country must have democratic ruling and not make difference in race, religion and so on.

[Ante-8-]

now.......anyone for soccer? :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :rock3: ;)

[CroatTommy7]

Soccer eh. Anyone see the Celtic-Barcelona game? what a fantastic game, Barcelona played amazing but Celtic showed classic heart and battle. The Cetlic fans were amazing. Barcelona though in the end deserved the win and Larrson scoring was the final nail in the Celtic coffin. For the guys on the board that love Celtic and Barcelona who did you cheer for? question for Robin-Majstor-Croguy etc...

[Uskok]

In the long-run, it is inevitable that Croatia joins the EU - whether fair, moral, traditional, ect, ect, - OR NOT.
The longer the transition takes, the less beneficial for Croatia's citizens.

[robin]

To answer your question Croatman,
Forca Barca!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I really felt for Celtic and they are a team I support, but Barca is my team. ( after Hajduk of course)

[Ljubuski]

In the long-run, it is inevitable that Croatia joins the EU - whether fair, moral, traditional, ect, ect, - OR NOT.
The longer the transition takes, the less beneficial for Croatia's citizens.

Sadly enough you're probably right, but if there's a major paradigm shift then there will be hell to pay.

That law that says the accepted member must stay is criminal and the only way to force anyone to stay is with an army. This is a recipe for another Fort Sumter somewhere down the line.

Cheers

[BaD^bLu^BoY]

Good man. (Though BBB you just said you're indifferent then opposed to it but your points are excellent above).



im indifferent to the general concept of it because in the end it wont be me deciding...but i dont like the idea of us bending over backwards for membership

If everyone is joining the EU and its so easy to join whats so special about it then? I would rather be alone and special

that would be the worst thing possible for us...to be excluded from the rest of europe would be a disaster economically...thats the main reason i can never be completely against the EU...ive studied economics at school and uni and all the economic theories ive studied seem to suggest that without EU membership we will struggle

it doesnt mean we need it right now...but eventually it will happen