View Full Version : 5 mil for Ricardo?
Tinto
05-20-2005, 10:00 AM
Please...oh please...
http://www.abola.pt/wset/wdia.htm
I would've loved to see him do better, but Sporting and the NT deserve more.
Razor
05-20-2005, 10:12 AM
Seriously - I was all over Xtratime back in the day rallying the troops for his (then) imminent move to Benfica. I thought it would have been the best thing for the club when Enke bailed. I thank the frango Gods every week that move never happened.
Re: his spot on the NT - I seriously think he's got to have some sort of psychological issues as a result of the past two weeks. I'm not all that thrilled with Quim as the long-term solution for Benfica, nevermind the NT (I think the best he can be is a quality NT-level backup); but I'd start him over Ricardo for these next games if I were Scolari.
If/when Portugal qualifies, I wouldn't be suprised to see Scolari call up some fresh blood for the remaining games/friendlies to see what else is coming up the guarda-redes pipeline (like Costinha from Leiria?).
Tinto
05-20-2005, 10:25 AM
(like Costinha from Leiria?).
Yes I was thinking of him too. Has he been solid all year? That game against Benfica alone should almost qualify him. ;)
Cunha should take the 5 Million and run with it!
Tinto
05-20-2005, 01:27 PM
This is one of the replies to the maisfutebol thread on Liedson's imminent departure...
levem o ricardo tb
Bwahahahahaha!
The reader comments in both, Mais Futebol and O Record, are what separates us from the rest of the world. No one does sarcasm like the Portuguese.
RedEagle
05-20-2005, 02:04 PM
I also think Man U or Arsenal might make a move for Ricardo in the offseason. Goalies are a funny breed, in a sense they are alot like strikers, and once the confidence is shot, it takes a long time to get it back.
However I am strongly against playing anyone on the NT other than Ricardo for the next couple of games. I know that doesn't make much sense, but his NT history is second to none. He has always delivered for the NT, especially during the Euro, when we all thought he was going to commit frangos as a result of his Sporting performances.
Same thing applies now. Scolari for some reason, brings out the best in Ricardo. He's an unbelievable shot stopper on his day, and minus his weakness on crosses which can be overcome, I'll take him right now over anyone in Portugal including Quim to represent the colors.
FORCA RICARDO!
Marco
05-20-2005, 02:09 PM
However I am strongly against playing anyone on the NT other than Ricardo for the next couple of games. I know that doesn't make much sense, but his NT history is second to none. He has always delivered for the NT, especially during the Euro, when we all thought he was going to commit frangos as a result of his Sporting performances.
Really? Even though he let in two weak goals against Greece (Karagounis and Charisteas). The guy S U C K S.
And Costinha from Leiria? Talk about the recency effect hitting you guys hard.
The first goal wasn't soft, it was a blunder by Paulo Ferreira and Couto's hesitancy to get in front of the ball that were responsible. Not Ricardo.
On the second game - yeah. He was way out of position, grossly misjudging the trajectory of the ball. Partly at fault there was Costinha, who let Karagounis beat him to the ball, lest we forget that too.
Marco
05-20-2005, 02:29 PM
The first goal wasn't soft, it was a blunder by Paulo Ferreira and Couto's hesitancy to get in front of the ball that were responsible. Not Ricardo.
On the second game - yeah. He was way out of position, grossly misjudging the trajectory of the ball. Partly at fault there was Costinha, who let Karagounis beat him to the ball, lest we forget that too.
Ball belongs to him. He, like an idiot, allowed Charisteas to get in front of him.
Karagounis call, looks like a low shot and a slow one to boot. Should have gotten it. Nikopolidis would have gotten to it, Buffon would have gotten to it, Ovchinikov would have gotten in, so would have Casillas, David James, Barthez, Stiegel, Kahn, Cech, etc....
He didn't look late in his reaction - it may have been low, but it was out of his reach. Who would or would not have gotten the ball is pure speculation. I'm sure your love for Ricardo has a lot to do with you limiting that list to so few.
On the second game - true enough. That ball belongs to the goalie, but it wouldn't have been an issue if Costinha didn't let the greek beat him to the ball.
Marco
05-20-2005, 02:45 PM
On the second game - true enough. That ball belongs to the goalie, but it wouldn't have been an issue if Costinha didn't let the greek beat him to the ball.
Using that logic is akin to saying that you would not have rear-ended someone in traffic if he had not been in your way. The ball was his. End of story. You can put the entire Portuguese team on the left post, the ball is his.
I maintain that an "average" keeper would have gotten to that ball, seeing on how the 16 teams that were at the EURO are supposed to be Europes elite, then I reckon the 15 other keepers would have gotten to that ball. However I do agree that the bigger fuck-up there was the Ferreira give-away but the biggest fuck-up was Couto not charging Karagounis. How a battle-scarred warrior like Couto could forget to do that is beyond me.
I've already conceded that the goal in the final was Ricardo's fault. The fact that Costinha got beat on the header is secondary. Agreed.
The first, the ball was out of reach. I did not see anything by RIcardo that would indicate he reacted late, thus I don't blame Ricardo in the goal.
However, funny you compare my logic to a rear end, blaming the effect for the cause, than use that same precise logic to blame Couto and Ricardo in place of the guy who was the direct cause of the immediate effect.
Try to apply the rear end logic evenly and I suspect we'll come to an agreement on the first goal too.
Marco
05-20-2005, 03:01 PM
Couto is a veteran, he's been in the your face his entire career and now decides to drop back?
Ferreira fucked up, but Couto should have been there to cover up for that fuck-up and then slap him on the upside of the head.
Again - like you correctly pointed out to me, it's a matter of order of things. If Ferreira makes a simple pass, there is no Couto fuck up. Just as if Ricardo grabs that ball that should have been his and his alone, there is no highlite reel of Costinha getting punked.
Couto got punked and he deserves criticism, but the cause was Ferreira. He's the primary culpado. End of story, to borrow your words.
I-like-Chorico
05-20-2005, 03:24 PM
I think all you guys are wrong, personally!
I say blame Ricardo's dad, for not strappin on the extra sensy, rippled, condom, or fuck that 2, nevermind. Probem solved.
You guys just aren't looking far back enough or pointing the finger vaguely enough, to my liking.
Penguin
05-20-2005, 04:05 PM
5 Million for Ricardo? Sure, that's fine. The more money, the better. We will have to pay Boavista 20% of the transfer. My money is on a move to Arsenal, just a hunch. He's the one player I am expecting Sporting to sell. I always thought Nelson was a very good GK, plus there are a couple GK in the SuperLiga we could get (Helton!!!).
On the 2 goals in Euro2004 - I think you guys have beaten the horse dead, but let me put in 2 final kicks. I don't think he could do much better on the first goal. With Couto backpedaling his fat ass, I think he blocked Ricardo's view of the ball; he was late diving to it. As for the goal in the final, no question it's his. Regardless of the fact that Costinha ducked, Ricardo should have been there.
On Costinha (the goalie)- I don't know where this silliness came from, but all talk of him with the NT or coming back to Sporting should cease immediately. He's not even the best GK on his club. He getting old (32?), he's fat, and he was never quick enough. Benfica fans should take a look at him, though. That's because he is what Moreira will turn into in 10 yrs time if you leave him behind Quim any longer.
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